June 2, 2011
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OSHO vs. CHEK ON VEGETARIANISM!

Hello and good day!

I hope you are all well, in TAO, walking the middle way – not too much – not too little.

Today, I’d like to share my own Taoist perspective on vegetarianism.

I get a barrage of emails and questions from people about my own experiences with vegetarianism as well as asking my help regarding their own concerns.

One of the most common questions I get in this regard is, “why do so many spiritual masters promote vegetarianism?”

I do my best to answer as many questions for people as I can, but the number of questions is far greater than the time I can allot to answering them while trying to run my businesses.

Because of my concerns that many people are being misled by spiritual teachers, and so-called experts writing on the topic, I decided to write about it.

Several years ago I wrote two articles titled, Vegetarianism Inside-out Part  1 and 2. These are available at www.ppssuccess.com in the Food For Thought – Articles, Articles by me section.

For those of you that want to get into the nitty-gritty of the topic, these articles should bring some clarity to the physiological and metaphysical concerns regarding vegetarianism.

This morning, I received the OSHO INTERNATIONAL News Letter for June 2011 in my in-box. It contained an article by OSHO, extracted from his talk titled: Osho, The Essence of Yoga, Talk #5.

I have not only listened to this lecture on audio recording, I’m one of the few people that owns the ENTIRE OSHO Library. Several years ago, I purchased every book, audio, CD, DVD, DVD-R and VHS tape available in English and have studied every of his recorded lectures and read many of his books.

In fact, I’ve got about 700+ pages of hand written notes from my studies here in my library. I also produced an audio download program called The Absolute Essentials Of OSHO, which is also available at www.ppssuccess.com in the audio section of “Products and Programs”.

When I listened to OSHO’S talk, The Essence of Yoga, Talk #5, it was like someone was dragging their nails across a chalkboard!

I love OSHO deeply, yet there are two areas I’m not in agreement with him.

The first is vegetarianism, which is the topic of our blog today. The next is his views on lesbianism and gay orientation, which I’ll address in tomorrows blog.

Let’s see what happens when Paul Chek debates OSHO on vegetarianism, shall we!

PAUL CHEK Vs. OSHO ON VEGETARIANISM

To save space and time, I will only put the relevant comments from OSHO’s article in my blog. I will head each comment by OSHO with his name and my comments will be below each comment, which you can identify by my initials (PC).

OSHO: Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made for vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole structure of the human body shows that man should not be a non-vegetarian. Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute vegetarians. If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.

PC: This statement is dangerously incorrect!

the human being’s structure is not designed for being a vegetarian. Man is a hunter-gatherer. The word “hunter” makes it clear that by nature, humans eat a combination of what is available.

Historical studies of people around the globe show that for the largest span of human evolution, humans were nomadic. By definition, a nomad is one who follows the animals, the meat.

Here is a dictionary definition from www.thefreedictionary.com/nomadic: no·mad (n m d) n. 1. A member of a group of people who have no fixed home and move according to the seasons from place to place in search of food, water, and grazing.

There are numerous excellent books investigating what early human diet was composed of. I’ve read many of them. There is consensus among experts at large. The research shows that humans ate a mixture of plant and animal foods, as was necessary for survival.

Of the many books in my library, the most readable for the laymen is without a doubt, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston A. Price.

Weston Price was very interested in vegetarianism. He looked worldwide for healthy vegetarians. Wherever he found vegetarian tribes, he found tribes close by eating meat. When he compared the vegetarian tribesmen’s health with those tribesmen eating meat near by, he consistently found better health, fewer indicators of disease among them.

Next, humans do not descend from monkeys!

Man’s closest biological relative is the chimpanzee. Studies on the diet and lifestyles of chimpanzees show that in fact, they do eat meat! Yes, the hunt and eat meat. Meat is not the mainstay of their diet but they do supplement their diet with animal flesh as needed.

It appears that OSHO didn’t study, nor understand Darwin’s teachings.

I had to study taxonomy in order to create a functional rotation diet plan for my patients, which is in my book How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy! If you study taxonomy, you can find clear evidence for my point in the genetic tree.

OSHO: Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of the intestine.

Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers, lions — they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a digested food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of digestion has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal’s meat. It is already digested — no long intestine is needed.

Man has one of the longest intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed, and much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.

PC: Again, this is incorrect.

There are numerous studies in this regard. One that comes to mind was done by Byron Robinson, MD, who wrote the book titled The Abdominal And Pelvic Brain (1899 and 1907 2nd Ed.).

Due to his own interest in this very topic, Robinson dissected some 650 corpses and measured the length of the entron (gut tube from mouth to anus). He found that there was a 100% difference in the length of human intestinal tracts. He found people with entrons as short as 21 feet, and as long as 42 feet.

He then tracked their racial (genetic) origins and showed conclusively that those with the longest intestinal tracts came from regions were plant foods were dominant in the diet due to a lack of big game or animal foods.

He also showed that those with shorter entrons came from regions where animal flesh was the mainstay of the diet.

Because the protein in plants is entangled with fiber, a much longer fermentation (rotting) time is needed for extraction. This is why, for example, cows have five stomachs.

Robinson’s research showed that indeed, people living primarily on plant foods had genetically adapted over long periods of time to aid their ability to gain nutritional benefit from a diet that was largely plant based.

Next, OSHO is incorrect in saying that animal flesh is already digested. Research by Jeff Bland, a nutritional biochemist shows that on average, it takes about six pounds of vegetable matter to create on pound of flesh meat.

All animals consume, digest, assimilate and metabolize their chosen foods to recreate their bodies.

OSHO’s perspective here is somewhat warped by a lack of knowledge in this regard.

The truth is that animal flesh rots very quickly compared to plant foods, which means that it takes less time to decompose in the animal or human body that consumes it. With a more rapid rotting time, less digestive time is needed to break it down.

All foods contain enzymes that trigger decomposition when the life-force is cut off at the time of death or being harvested. In plants, these enzymes are responsible for the ripening effect. In animals, decomposition of flesh is essential to aid consumption by soil microorganisms.

If a person eats more flesh foods than their body:

A. Needs, or

B. Can effectively digest, the rotting process and release of bacteria from the flesh can cause autointoxication, poisoning of the body.

Yet, the same can be said of any foodstuff eaten in excess.

Because animals contain potentially high amounts of specific strains of bacteria, above and beyond that of plant foods, over consuming animal flesh can be quite stressful to the human immune system. This is much more of a concern when eating raw meat in general because cooking kills bacteria at large.

OSHO: If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is burdened. In the East, all the great meditators — Buddha, Mahavir — have emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence — that is a secondary thing — but because if you really want to move in deep meditation your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to be unloaded; and a non-vegetarian’s body is very loaded.

PC: Incorrect again.

The truth I’ve come to know from 27 years as a student and teacher of nutrition, conditioning and lifestyle is that whenever man eats incorrectly for his biological needs, he will be burdened.

First by fatigue, then by illness, and finally by disease.

Any deviation from optimal health triggers a stress response from the body, elevating cortisol levels, hyper-exciting the mind and stimulating the left brain hemisphere, all of which are real antagonists to the meditative process.

Next, when OSHO states that Buddha, Mahavir and all great meditators from the East have emphasized a vegetarian diet, he is being potentially misleading.

First of all, OSHO states many times in his various lectures that no one knows for sure what Buddha said!

Buddha not only didn’t write anything down (nor did Jesus or Mohamed according to scholarly research!), he didn’t want his students taking notes. He wanted them to pay attention to what he was saying and to learn from experiencing the teachings, not writing or talking about them.

OSHO describes in his talks how within days of Buddha’s death, some 32 schools of Buddhism opened, each claiming to have the authentic teachings of Buddha, who never wrote anything down!

Therefore, how could OSHO say with any authenticity what Buddha emphasized. If anyone may have a grasp on what Buddha taught, it would be the Dalai Lama, who eats meat from time to time.

Though many Eastern spiritual teachers do encourage vegetarianism, having studied their teachings for many years as well as having video footage of many of them, I can tell you for SURE that a large percentage of such teachers are unhealthy!

It is essential to remember that what you call “your mind”, is a function of “your body and brain”. The brain lives in and sustains its life and function in your blood, the health of which reflects your dietary and lifestyle choices.

It would be unwise to assume that just because someone utters words of wisdom that they are healthy.

My question is simply, how may their opinions have changed if their search for Truth was supported by a health body-mind?

Additionally, many such teachers emanate from regions of the world that are vegetarian due to environmental constraints. How would they have handled an Eskimo student? How about a Native American Indian student, both of which have evolved on a meat dominant diet and therefore, have a genetic need for animal flesh?

OSHO: Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.

If somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you and kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill a lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness — all these things happen to the animal.

All over his body violence, anguish, agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the body glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried in your body.

PC: This commentary shows me that as evolved as OSHO was, he wasn’t a shaman, nor was he in tune with plant consciousness.

There is now plenty of research showing that indeed, plants are highly conscious. A great book to begin your studies in this regard is The Secret Life Of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird.

The research shows very clearly that plants are not only exquisitely aware of human activity, thoughts and emotions, but that they are aware of everything in their environment, including each other.

As a shaman, I’ve spent a lot of time learning from plants and trees. All I can say is that not only have I learned as much from plants as I have animals (I grew up on a large farm), but my studies of shamanism has shown over and over again that the shaman and medicine men often attributed their knowledge of medicine making to their plant teachers!

The point here is simple: Both animals and plants are conscious, have lives of their own, interrelate, and are very aware of when danger or harm is a threat and react in their own unique ways to the situation.

I do agree that killing an animal must be done correctly and there is a significant amount of information available on that in the organic and biodynamic farming communities.

Killing anything without being respectful of it as another living form is disrespectful and increases the likelihood of ingesting fear.

Most people in our culture are already so saturated with self-generated fears, they are numb to their surroundings and especially oblivious to their food choices or how they affect their bodies. The medical community exemplifies this ignorance and makes a great profit from such contrived indifference and/or ignorance.

OSHO: That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a specific purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal’s body.

You are on a higher plane than the animal’s consciousness, and when you eat the animal’s meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the lower plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness and your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.

PC: Again, this statement by OSHO is potentially misleading. Certainly, a specific type of consciousness exists in each animal’s body-mind construct. Yet, a study of genetics will quickly show that a human being is the evolutionary product of most, if not all it’s evolutionary predecessors.

We (the body) are mineral, water, plant, and animal. That is an undeniable fact. Though the consumption of each foodstuff, be it plant, animal, processed, synthetic or otherwise will influence your state of consciousness, it will only affect human consciousness negatively if:

A. The animal or plants were harvested through inhumane practices, and/or,

B. Your consumption disrupts physiological balance, which reflects itself in the mind, and therefore, the consciousness of the consumer.

Human life is only on a higher plane than animals when he chooses to behave and live at the potential of a human being. All you need to do is go to a vegetarian health-food store and ask, “where’s the bacon?”

Then, stand back and get ready for the storm (of junk yard dog behavior and) of human bias and ignorance, much of which stems from being mislead by the very kind of misinformation I’m addressing here.

Whenever anyone abuses their body-mind, a gap between their soul-nature (intuition) and ego-nature is created. Focusing on meat as the etiology of such challenges leads people confused and often results in them becoming animalized because they are literally in starvation for nutrition.

The unhealthy body naturally becomes frightened for it’s own (biological survival), which is reflected in their mental-emotional state and behavior. For anyone to live and function from a higher plane than an animal requires a combination of sound health and the cultivation of intelligence, which generally comes by way of wise teachers.

Speaking metaphorically, you can feed an idiot a vegetarian diet all you want and they will only be a vegetarian idiot.

Here you can see me teaching my students how I pray for food as a means of expressing love, gratitude and respect for giving me (us) life. Though the entire process I teach is too long for this blog, I would like to share the prayer my soul gave me for blessing my food:

Dear Food Spirits,
Thank you for love you have given Mother Earth and Mother Universe. Thank you for the love you are giving me now. I invite you to join me in body, mind and spirit so that together, we can make the world a better place for all living beings, now, and in the future.

(A-Men, A-Ho Great Spirit, or the closing of your choice)

OSHO: One should eat things which are natural, natural for you.

PC: Ah, Yes! Now if OSHO didn’t contradict himself so often in this regard, his own students would be more likely to achieve enlightenment because they would be sound in body and brain, which is an essential prerequisite to being sound in “mind”!

OSHO: The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about the stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a specific purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge, that is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which food is not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the master, and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will be confused.

PC: This again is incorrect and exemplifies a misunderstanding of physiology.

The tongue is connected to both body and brain. All parts of the body are expressing the instincts of the body as mediated through the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord).

It is a lack of sound guidance by parents, teachers and authortity figures like OSHO and other people with various “credentials” that leads people to have such estranged beliefs. In fact, it is your beliefs that are the watchman at the door until you are:

A. Healthy enough to have an intimate relationship with your organs, glands, and body at large and can take direction from them.

For example, when you need to pee, you are being given information from your bladder; it wants you to stand up, walk to a tree or toilet and alleviate your body of toxic waste.

Yet, research shows clearly, for example, that when teachers and/or parents restrict children to their desks, tasks, or otherwise suppress the urge to urinate or defecate that our natural reflex connections and awareness of these organ impulses is subdued. Eventually, it can be so subdued that disease is the byproduct.

B. Open minded enough to both love and care for your body and be honest as to when an idea does or doesn’t serve your needs or pursuits at any given time in your life.

For example, I’ve had to put many on a temporary vegetarian diet to clean their body and reduce toxic burden. Yet, they have to be open minded enough to act on my advice. Many simply are not, even though they pay me very well for my coaching. They are stuck, just like OSHO is in this regard!

OSHO: Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince buffaloes to eat ice cream. Try!

PC: Yes, at large, humans are confused. Largely because of misinformation just like this!

A buffalo doesn’t have the ego-mind development of man because they don’t have the brain structure for handling novel concepts. They don’t have nearly the frontal lobe or neocortical structure man does. They are largely limited to biological instincts and intelligence. They don’t have any capacity to entertain the ideas imparted to millions by mass-media misinformation campaigns!

OSHO: ! Man is part of the animal kingdom.

PC: Here, OSHO contradicts himself.

This is the kind of contradiction that creates great confusion among students. OSHO was famous for his contradictions. I just hope his students don’t become sick and famous for following them!

OSHO goes on in the article trying to substantiate his theories with references to massage therapy and pain, but I won’t extend the blog any longer because I will simply have to do more of the same and I feel I’ve made my point.

I will close today by sharing a perspective that is critical to all of you.

You will NEVER know the truth of OSHO’s statements, my statements, or those of any other so-called “expert” until you first become open minded enough to try different ways of eating, and second, get healthy enough to be come “aware enough” to know the difference!

I have lived the vegetarian life, the hard core meat-eater’s life and all variations on the theme.

My life is devoted to experiencing and using my knowledge to bridge gaps and tear down the kind of impossibility walls developed when “masters” give definitive statements based on issues they have little or now authentic experience of.

OSHO states he’s read over 100,000 books, but you can read books about cardiac surgery all your life and I still won’t let you operate on me until you demonstrate authentic experience.

Knowledge can’t become wisdom until it is experienced. The synthesis of experience is wisdom.

I suspect anyone with enough life experience and adequate knowledge of health sciences would find my points both logical, and practical.

May your minds be open to experience the fullness of life today and all-ways!

Love and chi,
Paul Chek

  • Yogi

    Dear Paul,
    Osho never forced
    anobody to be vegetarian.. I would suggest you to drop all ur ideologies and knowledge for few days.. Just start meditation… Practice it for few months and then give your reviews on non vegetarian food..
    Regards,
    Yogesh

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  • Nirav Bhanot

    With love Paul,
    I am happy to read your blog because what you have said was not just to undermine Osho’s words but as a professional guy, all your things comes to your mind and you have also tried to do more research on it. It is quite natural for a person who has the good information on health n diet to think rationally when someone talks on this topic. Even I became non-vegetarian on my own will while I follows Osho because Osho never never tried to stop anyone by using virtues of sins n hells. His only 2 words ” aware n meditate” are enough to walk on the path of Truth. Being vegitarianism or non-veg is not et al his teachings. And one day I turned to vegetarian diet naturally and without any will. And now am feeling much better. Surely being vegetarian is better but it should not put burden on your will. If it comes natutally then it makes you refreshed, lighter n healthy.

  • Noel Noall [PhD]

    A chimpanzee is an ape, not a monkey …. Chimps [ape] sometimes kill and eat other animals and are especially fond of the red colobus [monkey].. Red colobus are completely vegetarian, as are most species of monkey. Lions have a short small intestine with limited area for absorption (Stevens and Hume, 1995). The Stomach of a lion can hold a substantial volume approximately 20% of their ow bodywight (AZA,2012). The small intestine comprises 74% of the total gasrtointestinal tract length at 6-7m (AZa, 2012). They possess a small cecum, approximately 10com or 1% of the length of their tract, which is present at the intersection between the small and large intestine (AZA,2012). The large intestine is is just over 1m or 13% the total length of their gastrointestinal tract (AZA, 2012). ….In proportion to the overall body mass the blah blah blah.blah blah blah blah blah blablabla..oi!
    Noel Noall

  • Earnest Abiyah Hobley

    Paul you are famous for saying “Listen to your body”. I do just that. When there is an uncooked dead body in front of me my mouth does not began to water. However when their is a plum tree in front of me it does.

  • Surely. Osho was an unhealthy man. That’s well known. If I were his therapist, he’d have been on an individualized diet, and would have been MUCH more fit!
    Much chi,
    Paul Chek

    • Earnest Abiyah Hobley

      Fit and Healthy are the same thing to you? There are fit unhealthy people and Healthy unfit people. The are two different words for a reason. One can not assume that because one is fit that they are healthy. I knew a fit man that died of a heart attack. He ate plenty meat,but he was fit.

  • Hi Mike,
    I have every book ever written by OSHO that’s in English, as well as every audio recording, CD, CDR, and DVD he produced in my library, as well as about 800 pages of hand written notes on my studies of OSHO. OSHO only wrote a few books himself, one of which is “The Book Of Secrets” from what I could gather reading different biographies and commentaries by those that studied directly with him, as well as personal conversations with those that were his students and are friends of mine. The bulk of all OSHO books are transcriptions from lectures given, but have been heavily edited and reworked by his students that were chosen for the job. Considering that I have about 170 books with “OSHO” as the author, it’s pretty obvious that he didn’t write that much or he’d have had a chair growing right out of his back side!

    My comments were based on things I personally heard OSHO share in his lectures, which I have on audio. These are the only comments I feel I can trust with the knowledge of the fact that he didn’t write most of his books, and the ones he did write do not have comments about vegetarianism that I’ve found.

    Regardless, the points I make stand, and are quite simple. “Eat what your body needs so you can be healthy, and participate fully in life; don’t eat what someone else says is a good diet just because they say so. Always be wise enough to listen to your body, for it doesn’t play religious, nor diet games – that is the providence of the ego-mind (head).
    Much chi,
    Paul Chek

  • Nana Lima

    This article is just a lot of fallacies against vegetarianism! While you’re thinking you have the reason, there are a lot of really intelligent scientists who can deny you. Check it out before you think you’re a master! Anyway, you can just observe the situation of people’s health. So many problems coming in people’s life, soon or later, and many studies showing it’s because the consumption of animal products! And i didn’t even mention other problems, as the environmental and ethical issues.

    • Dear Nana, I”ve studied MOUNTAINS of research and literature on the subject… I’ve also been a therapist to MANY with serious health problems from being a vegetarian too long, or who were not genetically equipped and couldn’t heal from injuries or surgeries. My work as a Holistic Health Practitioner has included many cases of health problems via vegetarianism induced by religious motives or spiritual teachers. As part of my work, I’ve studied the religions that teach vegetarianism, and investigated their motives, and as I clearly show in my two articles you are referring to, there is tremendous confusion on the topic, even within each of the religions that teach vegetarianism.

      As for the ethical issues, well, I’d ask you to ask yourself this question: “Is it “ethical” to make yourself sick eating as a vegetarian when your capacity to help make the world a better place for all living beings is being diminished?” What’s the point of saving a sheep, or a cow when even the most enlightened animal can’t help make humans more aware of their imbalanced behaviors and inform them of the damage they are doing to themselves and nature?

      I have lived the vegetarian life twice, and was raised by a Yogi Mother. We both had to return to meat eating to maintain optimal health. My issues are not with vegetarianism as a means of healing, or balancing the body/mind. My issues with vegetarianism have to do with the misuse of vegetarianism as a dogma that leads people to subscribe to “an idea” without monitoring their overall well-being.
      Love and chi,
      Paul Chek

      • Earnest Abiyah Hobley

        When you study the fossil records you find proof that man was vegetarian. In fact scientist ignored the plant fibers between our ancestors teeth for years. You A.Price makes the claim that those who were eating meat were healthier is a claim I haven’t found in my own studies. In fact it’s the opposite. Here is something to think about. What model of health was he using?

        Your idea of health is not the same as anothers. A European standard of health is not the same as an Asian,or African.

        Arnold Ehret stated that the European man was sick. I agree. We all are now. He attributed the color of the Europeans to their disease state. He changed his eating habits and noticed his skin became darker.Much darker.

        Heres something to think about. Melanin is the biochemical manifestations of Carbon if you will. Melanin is one of the most abundant elements in the Universe. It is essential to life.Yet many so called races lack this essential element. How can they or their model be considered healthy when they lack the building block of life which is Carbon(one of the many blocks.)?

        You like using the word evolution. I prefer mutation. Man has not evolved in the sense of macroevolution. Microevolution as far as I am concerned just deals with variations. So man who came out of Africa,or the Middle East wherever you think they came from has not evolved they have mutated. They inhabited lands that were cold and almost barren on plant matter.

        So what followed? A lack in bone density which they use today to compare it to others and determine whether they are healthy or not. Using an unhealthy standard that fits them to diagnose others. A lack in minerals.

        Plenty of so call omnivores teach this Ice age ideology which is really a European concept that most of the world accepted. Answer this question. If their was a lack of plants and man had to feast on animal flesh to survive,how did that animal survive?What type of animal did that animal consume. SOmewhere down the line you have to find an animal that feed on plants because most Carnivores eat herbivores. So if man was eating Herbivores where did they get their food to survive that man couldn’t eat?

        Animal consumption is connected to the origin of sacrifices and war. The further I go back in history the more I find plant eaters. The resources for this information is so abundant that either you just haven’t crossed it, are bias, or dishonest.

      • Earnest Abiyah Hobley

        You say Osho contradicts himself but doesn’t your prayer do the same thing? “We can make the world a better place for all living things”. Oh really? Because(speaking in that animals voice) I was a living thing and you didn’t make things better for me. Do you believe the conscience of that animal is still lingering around?Maybe in the days of the shaman when they ate the meat right after slaughter but today?

        If you are a meat eater then prove it. It raw meat for the rest of your life. Man is the only animal/being that cooks its food. What did man eat before fire and weapons? How did they hunt?Why do you cook your food?If I wanted to eat a mango all I have to do is get it off the tree and eat it. My taste buds will be pleased and so will my body.

        So called omnivores on the other hand have to mask what they eat. They have to use salt,sugar,cook it,cover it in some plants,stick it between some bread,put some cheese on it and then eat it.

        If you really love Bacon(back end) then go up to that pig and bite it in it’s ass and eat it raw like a real omnivore/carnivore would.

        Furthermore cooking meat produces prions. You do not receive the protein from it as taught by you and others. You make the assumption that every piece of tilapia is the exact same in protein make up which is incorrect. All animal protein sources are inferior to plant sources such as seaweeds and Moringa.

        You are misleading people when you talk about the history of eating animal flesh. For example, the native americans had a tradition that is known today as mother corn. My godfather is a native. In ancient time the grain was the mainstay food. Whether it be rice,corn,maize(wild) quinoa etc.

        When the natives were young they ate nothing but plants. Once they reached a certain age and were able to hunt they also made a choice. The choice was to eat meat or not to eat meat. Some hunters did eat meat but they were the minority,the majority stuck with consuming plant matter. When hunters did manage to killl their prey it usually was something small like two small birds. Not whole turkeys. This is akin to the misconception that natives ate a bunch of animals before the Europeans arrived. The stereotype of them eating buffalo is incorrect before the arrival of Europeans. It’s only when they were provided with guns were they able to amass such an amount of animal flesh and even then they didn’t eat much meat compared to the consumption today.

        Most conquerors were in fact vegetarian. Plenty of the brightest minds of Europe were also or sympathised with it. The gladiators were vegan yet they are always depicted as eating animals which is incorrect according to their bones mineral content. Omnivores had such a hard time grasping this that they made up a ridiculous explanation such as ” the gladiators had strong bones because because they ate bone ash and chard wood”. What malarkey. The gladiators were known as the Barley men.

        Dr Sebi had cured ever disease known to man using plants. His teaching is that the body is electrical. Therefore it needs to eat electrical foods. Alkaline foods. Usually wild foods when they can be found. Kirlian photography backs this up. The brain runs on electricity. The heart runs on electricity. Electricity is produced by the element carbon and copper. Electricity comes from the ground here on earth. Mineral,Elements. The best source of Carbon and Copper from food is plant matter.

        By your definition what is disease?Why does it happen. When you were a vegetarian why were you sick. What was the exact reason. .Sickness was a mystery to me at one point. However it no longer is.

        I can pinpoint the cause of any disease yet this is not my field. It doesn’t need to be. It’s sad that society knows more about technology than they do about their bodies.

        If you were sick then what caused the sickness?

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  • Riccardo Fanni

    I think it is too easy to have a debate with a person that can’t reply. Osho contradicts himself just at the surface. To understand him you don’t need dictionary or books, you just need your true self. Sorry I don’t buy your sophisms. Riccardo

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  • mike

    Hey Paul-

    good stuff…….very well written.

    I do remember marking some passages where OSHO was talking about it being OK to eat meat…..I can’t find them right now, but definitely in some of the earlier books, first editions, and/or non-osho-international prints. Walking in Zen, Sitting in Zen comes to mind.

    I also distinctly remember a passage about him saying that it’s irrelevant to the spiritual search either way.

    Since he stood on both sides of the fence on almost every issue (with his firm stance of constant condradiction and controversy), I don’t listen to the recordings and dissect on a point by point basis anymore……As the ol’ mind likes to do. Rather, I like to listen to OSHO because of his style that threads through the talks, and the unshakeable calmness in his voice.

    Well, glad to see the more constant blog updates. Take it easy there Paul-

    Mike

  • Thank you Paul!
    You keep awaking the thinker in me!

    Dio

  • Mike Casey

    Hi Paul,

    Great blog!

    Do you feel that Osho’s vegetarianism would have affected his perceptions and therefore his teachings?

  • Paul Chek

    Dear Marlos, and All,
    Your body is your “Temple!” It is the seat of your self-consciousness; it is the lens you look, feel and perceive through until harmony of body AND mind is achieved; the mind begins it’s development in each lifetime in a body. The body is our most intimate source of “feedback”. To the degree that the body is imbalanced, we can never truly know if our mind is tainted by biological influences because, as I stated in the post, the (intellectual) mind is rooted in the body. Only when one achieves union with the body-mind can the intellectual mind be freed from survival influences or desires. After significant development of the “Awareness-soul” or mind and intuition can the body be shed; this is called “mortification”. To achieve this stage properly takes significant time and practice. If you think of the body as the cocoon of the mind-soul, and the mind-soul as the growing and developing butterfly, imagine what happens to that butterfly if the cocoon is crowded, clogged, has holes in it, is excessively wound, or built of materials too inferior for the environmental demands? What will happen to the butterfly; what happens to the infant in the womb of a sick or malnourished or emotionally distraught mother? After many years of helping thousands heal from their wounds, I can tell you with assurance, the little butterfly ends up with broken wings and often thinks it’s more of a bug than a butterfly, and lives according to it’s own beliefs, which reflect the parental state and it’s own “programming”. The programming can create illness in the body just as effectively as an ill body can taint the programming, even when the parental environment is favorable. Think of the “story” of Buddha’s life; he didn’t achieve enlightenment even after seven years of extreme yoga practices. Only when he realized such practices were yet another diversion or distraction and began eating and caring for himself did he achieve enlightenment. A study of Taoist and zen masters will reveal that there is no inclination to self-torture, yet there is, as far as I can see, a higher rate of enlightenment among them, which OSHO also points out in his lectures.

    I have found that the people that love and care for themselves are more inclined to love and care for both others, and the world. It is also interesting to note that many founders of world religions emerged from families or royalty or significant wealth. They could relax and rise above survival entanglements, freeing the mind and spirit to “fly” like the butterfly.

    If one understands what the word “GOD” means, they also understand that everything, every rock, tree, bug or bee is “of GOD”, “of Prime Source”. Therefore, All should be loved, respected and worshiped as expressions of GOD. Otherwise, GOD isn’t GOD.

    Love and chi,
    Paul Chek

  • Love both of you (PC and OSHO)! I also read Osho said once that he just likes vegetarianism for the aesthetics! Because vegetarian food is more beautiful! 😀

    http://oshoworld.com/onlinemag/oct2004/htm/health.asp

  • marios Stampoulopoulos

    Osho doesnt have a problem contradict even himself. I do not think there is a correct way to serve your body . i let the body be my master.if it says sugar, meat, coffee,grass etc i will give it to it. if it says no, i will not. I love him pretty much but i love myself the most.

  • Tatiana C Ling

    Clear and Concise as Always. Thanks Very Much Paul.

  • Franz Koberg

    PC 9 – OSHO 0

  • Patti Wedegis

    Ahhh yes!!!!

  • Gigi Barlowe

    Thanks for this Paul..Well thought out and very well put..